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From the Marine Corps to Chicago Photography: The Captivating Journey of Marietta Hardwick
What happens when an island girl turns Chicagoan trades her Marine Corps uniform for a photographer's lens? Join me as we explore Marietta Hardwick's captivating journey from Puerto Rico to the boudoir studios of the Windy City. Hear her speak passionately about her roots, her time in the Corps, and how a family tragedy led her to her true calling - photography. We also delve into the rollercoaster of emotions that accompany the back-to-school season, emphasizing the crucial role parents play in their children's education.
We jump into another exciting chapter of Hardwick's life as she navigates trade show and event management with the UAF. Get a taste of the chaos and rewards that come with designing booths, coordinating logistics, and managing purchases. Hardwick's experiences extend beyond the borders of the U.S, touching base in Latin America, where she passionately advocates for the recognition of photographers in the region.
As we wrap up the conversation, we paint a stark picture of the challenges riddling the wedding photography industry. With economic downturns and technological advances stirring the pot, we discuss survival strategies for photographers - redefining pricing models, proving value to clients, and adapting to changing trends. Technology, the double-edged sword, poses a unique challenge to seasoned photographers. Tune in for this riveting exchange as we unpack these challenges and more.
Hey there, thanks for tuning in to Something New Every Week with your host, me, jason Group. Each week I'm going to give you something new that's happening in our photographic world just some great conversations with my friends and what's going on right now. Something New Every Week is sponsored by Miller's Lab. Miller's Professional Imaging is the largest professional lab organization in the United States. They provide professional prints and press products for professional photographers in all 50 states and Canada and they're just a great company. If you don't know them, go check them out. Millerslabcom. Welcome to another SNU. Something New Every Week, and this week I got a very special guest, one of my favorite people that I like to hang out with at trade shows, as of late, marietta Hardwick. Did I say that right?
Speaker 2:You did, you did.
Speaker 1:All right, I usually butcher everybody's names. Marietta is from Chicago and I asked her to join us today because I want to get to know a little bit more about Marietta. Pre us getting to know each other at trade shows and conferences and conventions, which is a lot of the times what we do in these episodes of Something New Every Week and I'm excited to kind of dive into that. So welcome to the show, marietta.
Speaker 2:I am so excited to be here. You have no idea.
Speaker 1:So she is one of those behind the scenes type people in our industry, is not a behind the scenes personality, but is definitely one of the people who helps make conferences and trade shows that we go to these days more exciting and fun to be at and kind of helps with things, and you may not even know it. So that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have her on today. So thank you for being here again.
Speaker 2:All right. So, like I said, I can't even believe that you would have considered me for this. I am definitely a behind the scenes person, but I am super excited to talk shop.
Speaker 1:All right, Then that's exactly what we're going to do in a talk shop. But before we get to that, I don't really know your early history in this industry, as far as whether you know how much you've been a photographer. Are you originally from New York? So just give us like the brief overview of who you are getting to this point.
Speaker 2:I just turned 46. I am originally from Puerto Rico. Born and raised, I went into the Marine Corps when I was 18.
Speaker 2:Wow, I didn't know that Shortly after I broke my pelvic bone in four and had to return to Puerto Rico. And then I came to the mainland in 1999 and kind of hadn't left. I followed so many non-traditional routes. I had so many jobs when I got here and then my mother had a massive stroke and I was working in the financial sector and had just become a parent and when she passed away I kind of rethought everything that I had been going through or the trail that my life was taking me to or toward, and I wasn't necessarily all that happy. So I followed my dream of becoming a photographer.
Speaker 2:It was hard at the beginning because I didn't really know anybody and I didn't really know what type of photography I wanted to do. I had that National Geographic kind of dream in my head and then it just kind of evolved into Boudoir photography initially, and I never left the love for Boudoir photography. It was just fell in my lap and that happened in 2013 and I'm still going strong with it. I'm a very bespoke photographer, so I pick and choose who I photograph traditionally and I prefer it that way. It's just I'm a pretty private human being and my studio is at home, so I get to represent a variety of companies, as you know, at trade shows, and it's just one evolution to the next. I studied photography at Southern New Hampshire University and I studied operations management at the University of Puerto Rico a long time ago, so I mean it's just par for the course. I guess Me just being me.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean so that. So first of all Marine Corps, that is Wow. Okay, I know.
Speaker 2:People meet me Like the one thing that they notice is oh my god, you're so tiny.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't want to say that the size doesn't mean anything. It's just, it's not something that I would have envisioned. You and I didn't know that you were originally from Puerto Rico, mainland, so did you come to Chicago from the mainland?
Speaker 2:No, I actually, when I moved to the States, I moved with some family members very near Princeton, new Jersey.
Speaker 1:Actually, what I didn't know that. Yes, jersey girl, all right.
Speaker 2:Yes, totally Jersey. And then I got married to my ex, or the two of this, dad and I moved to Virginia Beach and then moved back to Jersey and then back to Virginia Beach and I got divorced and met my my current husband, and he got stationed in Great Lakes, so we ended up moving to the Chicago area.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, so you're still in the military.
Speaker 2:No, no he's retired, thank goodness. But the military has come first. Oh my god, for so many years.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, and yeah, I didn't know that you were. You weren't too far from where I was when we lived in Jersey. Are you still a family in Puerto Rico?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have a lot of aunts and a lot of cousins around there. I don't think I have any uncles left there, but yeah, I've got some family. I wish I went more. Believe it or not, but I don't have that time.
Speaker 1:Me too. I've only been there twice to shoot weddings and I loved my experience there. Every time it's one was one was like way out of the resort area, which was amazing. It's so different when you leave the resorts and you know, get somewhere else. But okay, so you're doing Boudoir photography, you wind up in Chicago and I can't just to shift gears a little bit. I can't. All of our kids are about to go back to school, so we need to touch base on that a little bit, for sure.
Speaker 1:I saw your post about your kids went back four days ago and you had peace and quiet and mine is tomorrow and I can't wait.
Speaker 2:Yes, I feel like it's bittersweet, and I still have the dogs here, obviously, so it's not like it's complete silence, but it's summer is just so long sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially when you're working it and you work remotely, it can be a little bit daunting, for them as much as for you, because you wish you've shared more moments in time with them. I definitely feel like I would have done more things, but I was literally swamped for a certain portion of this summer and I just couldn't get away from it. So, yeah, quiet is good and I know that you're ready, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:I know you and I have talked about how, like all you do all summer is shuttle kids from one place to another. Oh yeah, and I feel like this summer has been a little bittersweet for me in that my little guy is starting high school this year. My daughter started driving this summer. We bought her a car and we haven't seen her all summer, and Eli won't be too far behind that. So starting next summer, I don't think we'll need to really drive them anywhere. So I am looking forward to having a little more freedom to be able to concentrate on work a little bit more, which would be nice but also really sad. Like I just got back from my, I love sitting and watching my kids football practices. Yeah, I'm one of those dads and this is probably the last one I'll get to go to, so it was really kind of sad for me bringing it home.
Speaker 2:Well, no, just the same way. The same way. You have no idea. It is very bittersweet. I took Alex to driving school this summer for the first time and I was like, ok, I'm happy for them, of course, but it is so bittersweet.
Speaker 1:It is. Teaching your kids to drive is not an easy task. Driving schools smart move.
Speaker 2:Yes, but over here Illinois has like these really crazy I mean like crazy rules for for drivers ahead and stuff like that. So I have to teach him 50 hours before he's able to get his license. Wow, crazy.
Speaker 1:It's only 35 here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 50 whole hours trying to teach my kid and I'm the worst teacher ever. I applaud teachers all everywhere because they are so patient.
Speaker 1:No doubt.
Speaker 2:I'm not the most patient person.
Speaker 1:Just not, no doubt, no doubt. The kicker for me is that Eli just found out because it's so hot here that he needs to. Poor kid. He has to be at football practice at 5.30 tomorrow morning for his first day of his freshman year of high school and he's got a shower in the locker room for the first time he's ever had a change in front of boys before. I feel terrible for him. So traumatic yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a junior and a senior now and let me tell you something they are not like these jock type. You know kids ever and they are I don't even know how they do it half the time. They hate changing in front of people and it's just not a good experience for them either. They had gym every single year. It's horrible. Yeah, I don't know. I feel bad for him Freshman year, especially because I mean there's a special place for those kids that could be mean to freshmen.
Speaker 1:Bro, especially football team, and Eli is a big kid, so like he's one of the big linemen, he's like these muscle bound boys that are. You know, I'm happy to take off the shirt whenever prompted, so anyway, I totally get it.
Speaker 2:I totally get it. You know, I really do. Oh my gosh, that's bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah at the same time, sad that it's going so quick, but all right, let's get back to the industry. So you've been, you've been. So I have to preface this by saying you work with Aftershoot, which we love, and also UAF labs, which that's based in Chicago, right?
Speaker 2:No, that's actually based in Toronto.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Sorry, based in Toronto. Toronto, if you're from Toronto based in Toronto and you do trade shows for both of those companies and you know work and kind of you know tell me a little bit about your jobs for both of the companies now.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh All right. So who do you want to know about first?
Speaker 1:Let's start with a UAF, because you've been with them a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've been with them for a little bit now. We want to call it that. My dogs are in the background, so if you hear any, one.
Speaker 1:That's okay, I see them, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could tell they're on that. You know, mommy, mommy, kick they're, they're too spoiled. All right, I've been with UAF as a trade show and event director for almost four years, I would say. Now I just I've got to say that it fell on my lap, in a sense, a little bit before COVID. I was their client for quite some time and I met the team and it was kind of like automatic chemistry and it turns out that at the end of the day they needed a trade show person and I had the experience. But they kind of didn't know that I had the experience for it. So they were like, hey, do you want to help us out? And I was like, yeah, sure, I'll help you out on the first one, and it was a virtual one, and by the end of it they were pretty impressed with what I did.
Speaker 2:And I'll express that what I basically do for the immense majority of these companies is from contract negotiation to implementation of a trade show and everything that goes in between. For them, that that is more entails what my duties are. So I coordinate, purchase, acquire logistically. I'm absolutely there. And then during these trade shows I'm an aboos, along with the staff and a network, as you know, for multiple hours a day until the networking is done, let's say, and ensure that our brand recognition exists, or is there, and increased sales. Of course, return on investment is extremely important for these companies and I work very hard to actually have enough conversions for them during these trade shows so that not only is the brand more recognized but there is obviously profitable young, long run. So that's me in a nutshell. Just you know there.
Speaker 1:And you do the same for aftershoots as well, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my function for aftershoots a little bit different, because I'm under the trade show director. Okay, the trade show director negotiates and closes the sale and I do everything afterwards. So, from ensuring that all materials are handled, everything else gets done. I not necessarily do booth design, because that's not, that's not. I implement and put the booth up with them, but I not necessarily design it at all times. This year at Imaging, we did do a redesign very briefly from, but we encountered some difficulties and even still we had a great time with it. So I not necessarily do the design and I don't do the negotiation with the aftershoot, but everything else in between, yes, and I'm definitely manning the booth at most of these events, or at least the bigger ones, and for those of you who've never manned a booth before may look like fun, and it is, and it can be, but it'll cost them to be really challenging.
Speaker 1:You are asking for the same thing over and over for multiple hours a day. There can be all kinds of logistical problems and inevitably there's always one difficult person who decides they want to dump their life on you at the booth. That you have to deal with. Not complaining at all, I'm just saying not everybody's the nicest person in the world and some of you may find that hard to believe. But yes, so it's a tough job and you have to really love it and I know that you enjoy the travel you enjoy. You're an extrovert like me. You like being out there, you like to party and you have a good time and, of course, you love the industry as a whole, all the personalities that we get to hang out with, and it's inspiring and it shows in your work. I've looked at your website before. You do beautiful work and you can tell that you've been working hard at it and it must be hard wearing all those hats at the same time.
Speaker 2:I think that the hardest part was probably this summer and realizing that what other people see in me is something that I not necessarily saw in myself for the longest time. You know that I'm self deprecating most of the time or that I'm just like I play it down a lot, but I sat down to actually quantify the things that I either do for the companies I work for and or in my personal life, and how I juggle it all. I was like, wow, I do a lot. And I've traveled behind the scenes for Aftershoot this summer. I went to Mexico, I went to Colombia, I'm leaving to Peru on the 24th, so I've been doing smaller conferences in Latin America and I'm super proud of the things that we've been doing over there. I need to publicize myself more because I actually do a lot. And you're right, this next show is from 8.30 in the morning until 8 at night and, as you know, you've manned Shutterfest with me. These longer shows really do take a toll.
Speaker 1:They do, they do.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I'm so happy to help the industry in any way I can and I so firmly believe in the products and services that we provide, that I'm just like I'm on for the ride.
Speaker 1:So and you and I kind of we would chat a bunch during the pandemic and obviously now that's in the rear of your mirror, I mean not COVID, but the pandemic itself. Yes, and you know it's nice to see you getting out there again. I want to start with. But I mean, I read when I was at WPP. I recognize Latin America being just huge, huge market and undeveloped by the US, and I remember I did several trips to Mexico and you know it's a thriving community and you know they don't make as much money as as as, as you know, usa photographers or North America or in.
Speaker 1:Canada. They work just as hard and they have the problem of, you know, I would say, a lot of times when couples did have more money they would hire people from the US. But yes, and it says he was a huge struggle. And you know, I'm curious out of the pandemic how are they doing? What are you seeing out there? I mean, you've been to been to a bunch of places in In Latin American general.
Speaker 2:I can tell you this much the photographic community Internationally is is thirsty. I mean especially Latin American photographers, because I think that they In fact no, I know they're extremely talented.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh Mexico. So much talent.
Speaker 2:The World Photographic Competition. So they there is so much talent, polished, unpolished, raw, and they are very underserved as a community, so they're kind of thirsty for recognition. They're thirsty for absolutely every company and they're so grateful for every company that considers them and takes them into account as as as a whole that they're just very happy and so gracious. I would say to to companies that that are willing to consider them. So I mean, there's, there's so much to be had. It's, it's I wouldn't say it's like this bonanza of a thing because, like you said, their expendable income is less, because they charge less.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:For the most part. I mean we have celebrity, big celebrity named photographers, but a lot of them are from Spain or Colombia or something like that. So there are some really big names but the average photographer in Latin America, no matter the talent, not necessarily recognized yeah, not necessarily recognized. And they really do want that support, they want that recognition and they love their very brand loyal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So once they actually adopt a brand and once they're actually into a brand, I think that the return or or the continued business aspect is definitely more prevalent there than in the United States and Canada.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like not a lot has changed, but I'm just coming down like there are more companies willing to do that, and I think that early adopters to that or early adopters to that will actually benefit the most.
Speaker 1:I really wanted to do we do, I see, do road shows and I really wanted to do in a Mexico and I had done some discussions with being age At the time, way back when, and they didn't go very far. But From what I understand it was, it was kind of difficult to do unless somebody was organizing it from Mexico. It was really difficult to do, to do shows over there or at least do commerce Back to the US. But we don't need to get into that. That was, that was a whole other, that that could be a whole other.
Speaker 2:To come to be the subject of a whole yeah for sure like that. That was a long way, because I actually made friends with the people from the store called techno planet in Mexico. They held this master class there. I think it was like shortly after WPP. I was like the first convention this year out of the United States for me and they they distribute a lot of the brands from here, but I think it's because they're a distributor right. They're not necessarily like. They're like the B&H from Mexico.
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, that's the only way it works. So yeah. I am. So back to the US. I am curious about you've been to a few shows that I didn't get to this year. How is click on?
Speaker 2:I did not go to click on believe it or not, I had my boss at you actually go, I had to actually your backyard love you.
Speaker 1:What have you heard? Because I know you've heard more than me.
Speaker 2:Well, I had. I had four of my ambassadors as speakers there, so it's not like we didn't have a presence and the hotel was different. This year, as far as I know, the lighting situation was a little bit different, but I didn't hear absolutely one single negative word. There was so much education to be had. Sherry and Susie are amazing At putting the show together. There are incredible people and the. I think it's their third or fourth show. I think it's their fourth show. Third.
Speaker 1:I think yeah.
Speaker 2:I missed it out. This would have been my third show with them and unfortunately we weren't showing. But we had a lot of speakers and they were all happy with it. They loved every class that they had. They say that the interaction with everyone was great, so I do believe it was a success for them, that's great.
Speaker 1:And was there another one that what's the last show you've been to was a Chatterfest?
Speaker 2:The last United States show was Chatterfest. I believe, and then upcoming ones that I have for the US. I'm thinking because I have a lot outside of the. Us. I will be a Portrait Masters, ok. That right, I will be with them.
Speaker 1:Should be an interesting year for them.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think it's very bittersweet as well, because there's so many great things that are going to come forth for them joining WPPI, but it's the last year for Sue, so I just really hope that the showing is fantastic and that we have a really great time with it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think attendance will be fantastic. I don't think that will be an issue at all. It's going to be the freshman performance of TPC without Sue as she moves on will be, let's say, a lot of people will be keeping their eyes on it. Let's just leave it at that, yeah.
Speaker 2:You and I could always have a conversation about that.
Speaker 1:That's not what we can have on this podcast. Truth.
Speaker 2:Truth, truth, 100 percent. No, we could have that over a drink sometime. So A lot of drinks, lots of drinks.
Speaker 1:I do wish them the best and I do think that that change is not necessarily a bad thing. It's an opportunity, right, and you know, I think merging those audiences, I think, will help stabilize both shows. So, in my opinion, they will be bringing in an audience that's I mean you've been I've never been to the show. From what I understand. It's a very different audience, attendee wise, not a lot of crossover. So bringing that audience to Vegas, although, who knows, maybe the PPI won't even be in Vegas anymore. I love Vegas.
Speaker 2:This is one of those trips that I look forward to.
Speaker 1:I mean, they've always threatened to take the PPI out of Vegas. I can't see it, but you know who knows? I don't. I'm not saying anything that I know. They would never tell me anyway, even if I did know. So I do think that bringing those two audiences will help stabilize and maybe hope, bring it into a larger conference that it needs to be.
Speaker 2:So it also brings a different perspective of the. You know, like people's different perspectives within the photographic community, because that's a very their market seems to be just very, very fine art fine art fine art.
Speaker 2:Fine art and a lot of the demographic that I saw for that event or that conference that I was at last year was primarily female and it's good to see and it's refreshing to see that part of the less served demographic within the photographic community can just, you know, like up and merge into the mainstream primarily wedding photographer, event photographer, shows. There's a lot of that, although WPPI is just it's all encompassing, so I can't really say you know.
Speaker 1:Right right.
Speaker 2:But things are changing and I'm happy that WPPI recognizes that. So yeah yeah, it's like you said, we could have this conversation for a long time.
Speaker 1:We could and lots of speculation. Last question for you. So there has been, from what I've been gathering from wedding photographers now and I know you talk to a lot of wedding photographers now with Aftershoot.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It's been a tough year for a lot of photographers. Bookings are down, and I'm not doom and gloom, I'm just saying what I've been hearing. There's the company that I work for with Orion Photo Group, and talking to those photographers in their own businesses. I'm not talking about OPG, but it's been less. People are getting engaged. I've read lots of articles about it. There's a bubble right now and I'm curious what you've been hearing.
Speaker 2:You want to know something. I could definitely attest to that. Especially within the photo lab community, we've had to actually promote ourselves as a full service photo lab from film developing to, you know, wall art, acrylics, all that stuff, but not necessarily to the wedding community. Aftershoot hasn't had that issue because it's calling and editing software and it saves so much time.
Speaker 2:It's kind of very transformative within the wedding photography community. We're not going to see that at aftershoot, but UAF has speculated a lot, especially for wedding album sales. You could definitely see that they're lower this year. I have wedding photographer friends who are very concerned about their businesses. I actually have even voodoo photographers that are concerned about their businesses and marketing because that's a luxury experience. There has to be a change or a promotion or a lull. The lack of, I don't know it's hard to define.
Speaker 2:I do hear a lot about the wedding photography industry and a lot of my photographer friends are concerned, but that only applies in the US, because other places are taking advantage of the destination wedding feel or the phenomena of that. So they're taking advantage of it and I think what may be happening is that these photographers that are cheaper and just as talented are somewhat taking the business away from the photographers here in the United States. I wouldn't be worried about photographers on the long term. I just think that there are a lot of people who don't prioritize weddings anymore and I think that a lot of people. It has to be an educational aspect as well from the photographer standpoint, because what I hear from a lot of people is that they're not willing to invest in a wedding photographer.
Speaker 2:But in reality, the one thing that you're going to keep for the entirety of the marriage that you've got is the memory of your wedding. It doesn't matter what you spend on other contractors or vendors. If you don't have a picture of it or how it happened or who captured it best for you, then there's no real highlight. So I just think there has to be a shift within the photography community to better illustrate what truly should be important for the wedding peoples or the bride and groom. You've got to believe in weddings to be a good wedding photographer, but you also have to be able to illustrate what your value is to them. So I think it's a combination of both those things Less people interested in it and photographers not willing to put in the time.
Speaker 1:Do you?
Speaker 2:see something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and that fits right in line with what I've heard from other photographers, in that you hit it on the nail. I personally don't. I think the biggest thing is that a lot of people just aren't having big, garish weddings. A lot less people aren't spending the money on the day.
Speaker 1:So if you're, not spending the money on the day. You're not going to spend a lot of money on the photographer, right? So smaller experiences, destination settings that totally makes sense. You touched on that a little bit and from what I've been gathering is that there needs to be a shift in the way wedding photographers are marketing to these people. Is there an adjustment in price? Yeah, I think there's going to be an adjustment in price and I think that's been happening a long time, and I think the people that are making five figure weddings, charging, you know, five figures for weddings, they're gonna really have to dig in and figure out how they're gonna do it, and that's been, I think, a struggle for at least ten years. I noticed it at the tail end of my business and you know the the the bottom is dropping out a little bit and you're gonna need to decide how to do it on the flip side.
Speaker 2:I also think that with the advent of like better iPhones, more technology, there's a lot more intelligent and everything else like that. There's people who you know there's. There's people who are very discerning and love quality and value photography, but there's just people who don't anymore because they they no longer see photography as a career. They just see it as hey, it's a hobby. It's one step up from a phone. We know what it takes to be a good photographer but you know, not everybody's a good photographer and Not everybody cares that that person is a great photographer. They care that they're cheap. So you know, like, like I said again, that's an education to the client. You have to market yourself appropriately for that and just some photographers aren't willing to do it.
Speaker 1:Change is hard.
Speaker 2:And the older you get, change becomes harder and harder. Sure does. Like that. I'm no longer a kid. So yeah, I'm pretty set in my ways too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, my kids remind me daily how old I am. Oh, oh.
Speaker 2:It was so funny. I, my husband, surprised me with a birthday party this Saturday, right and I was happy birthday.
Speaker 1:By the way, I forgive me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he surprised me with a birthday party I was totally not expecting it after my son's soccer tournament and I Said my age right, I'm like I'm so happy to be 46 and I haven't had plastic surgery yet. You know how women are and we're all chatting in the kitchen and this little girl she's about five years old, she's yet says I just laughed so hard. She's like I didn't think you were 46.
Speaker 1:Just keep saying it out loud, kid.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Photographers do have to change their ways. They, I mean, there are these celebrity photographers that, no matter what you do, people are going to pay the prices, but it's a lot less than it used to be. Yeah and I think one of the things that you have to do within the photographic industry is get off your soapbox, stop with the ego and notice that things are changing there. There's sometimes just too much ego going around, and you know this and I know this.
Speaker 2:Yeah really great ones are always going to be great and they're fantastic people, even if you've earned that ego. Yes, of course, but I'm not necessarily talking about a person or people in particular. It's just there's a lot of that in the industry from the, the older demographic, sure, yeah, well, yeah, and that's that's great advice and I think we'll leave it.
Speaker 1:We'll leave it there. You're right, I mean, it's it's. It's. The artist's ego is important to make you a creative person, but I can also be our, our biggest downfall as well. So, anyway, thank you for being on this week's episode of something new. New every week. I appreciate it. All of your yeah. All right, we're gonna wrap there. Thank you for listening.
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